If you mean like AT but has Mega links, I don't know of any.  They would all have the same problem with those limited Mega accounts.

I can't think of any other sites off-hand that use download services that aren't available or similar to those we have here.

But here are some other sites.  They might not mirror TT and Nyaa, so might have fewer titles:

http://www.anime-sharing.com/forum/index.php
http://jpddl.com/fansub
http://www.animefansftw.com/

And there is one that uses it own private server instead of public download services.  They offer faster downloads for members that donate:
http://chauthanh.info/

Is there any other site like AT?

It's not likely unless Mega changes their policies back to what they used to be in the beginning, which is unlikely.  Now they require accounts (or surrogate accounts from multi-hosts).  These free accounts are limited to 50GB each.  Our traffic is 100 - 200GB per day.   It's likely they created this policy specifically with sites like AT in mind.

Will Mega ever comeback as one of the available download host on this site?

Once you cleared it up, it turned out your position was the most extreme and cynical one that it is possible to hold on this subject, no imagination required.

Your view may be right.  Time will tell.

To even think I was hinting something from those words, you have quite wild imagination.

I think you altered your previous note a little, and now I understand.  You're saying the remakes category is meaningless and Nyaa's rules are tools to justify their favoritism for certain people or groups.

I wouldn't exactly agree or disagree.  I think there is more to it, like rising or cyclic apathy, and how their probable list of favorites has been shrinking over the years, (Can it really be called a "cartel" anymore?).  However, Nyaa has said many times in the past that they are a private organization and not a public utility and therefore can do whatever they want.  I think they should feel honored if others want them to be more than that, but they're certainly within their rights of ownership.


Taking the most cynical view, I have mixed feelings about the possible ultimate effect of such a remakes category.  On the one hand, anything that encourages the fansubs and original fansub content would be fine with me, however meaningless it may be as information to the consumer.  On the other hand, anything that may discourage BD providers is not good as far as I'm concerned.  I don't know where the balance should be.

Sorry, but I can't figure what you're trying to say.  You seem to be hinting at some hidden meanings behind these things.  Well, that would make life interesting.

To me, the fairness issues here don't seem complicated.

As for my credentials, I've been in the fansub scene a loooooong time.

According to Nyaa (via a certain moderator of NT), the remake category is to protect the credit of the groups (read: some certain groups) that create contents (read: and outrightly deny that of anyone else). It has lost its usefulness long ago.
It seems that you don't know that, as expected of someone not in the fansub scene.

And what you just said is clearly irrelevant to what I said.

Substantively, uploading a torrent as a remake should mean something.  And tagging files as if they came from a particular group should mean something.  You're suggesting, in the negative, that original files with their original file names can be categorized as remakes if the torrent author wants to do so.  Policy-wise, I don't see how that could do anything except create confusion and make the remakes category a meaningless classification.

Basically, like the user on Nyaa, I'd like to know if this is a re-encode.  If it is, I'd like the file name to reflect that.  If it's the original file with it's original file name, I'd like to know why the torrent author wants to classify it as a remake.

I don't like to propagate files that are falsely labelled, and Nyaa has frequently deleted torrents that have inappropriate tags.  Horrible deserves it's branding.

>Specifically, this torrent was submitted to Nyaa as a remake, in which case it shouldn't use the HorribleSubs file names
There is no such rule. Are you confusing with the rule of torrents must be marked as remakes if the files are reuploaded with non-original filenames?

Should be fixed now, thanks.

thank you for clearing it up. i'm not too familiar with nyaa rules as i don't have a proper means of downloading torrents.

your explaination was very helpful :)

Your link refers to: [HorribleSubs] World Trigger ~ Batch 1-73 [480p].mkv ~ [WolfPack]

This torrent appears to break Nyaa's rules, so I thought we'd wait for it to be straightened out, rather than create and waste links that would be deleted if Nyaa deletes the torrent.  Specifically, this torrent was submitted to Nyaa as a remake, in which case it shouldn't use the HorribleSubs file names  --you can't make a file look like HorribleSubs released it if they didn't, basically.  The torrent description is ambiguous as to what it contains.  The question has been posed on Nyaa as to whether or not it's a re-encode.  No answer by the torrent author so far.

Horrible has been doing their own batches.  If this is just Horrible's files, I'd prefer to wait for Horrible's torrent, at which point we would probably delete this in favor of HorribleSubs official release, if it is really not a remake of some kind.

Admin I can't find this torrent on AT

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=torrentinfo&tid=800401

Even though I had seen it here yesterday. Tried searching but no luck. Can you provide any help?

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Hi Anon,

Pardon my entering your note, but I didn't want this to get lost in the discussion below.

I think we waited long enough for some answers from the torrent author but answers don't seem to be coming.  Nyaa hasn't deleted it, so here it is.  You can find it at:
https://animetosho.org/view/world-trigger.978575

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I think the primary links are only to AniDB which so far has only categories for the main show and the ova.

Not a major thing, but just wanted to say that most of One-Punch Man Specials/OVA get linked to the wrong category https://animetosho.org/series/one-punc...hero.11637 [WRONG]
while it should link to http://myanimelist.net/anime/31772/One...n_Specials [CORRECT]
or even http://myanimelist.net/anime/30276/One_Punch_Man [MAIN]

like https://animetosho.org/view/hi10-_one-...096.978728
https://animetosho.org/view/hi10-_one-...c4b.972696

Like I said before not a major thing, just something I noticed ;)

Thanks for replying

Ah, now I'm depressed.  I hope I can find something here to cheer me up.

...and funnily enough, he was complicit with the DMCA. In other words, compliance with it doesn't matter at the end of the day.

We hope for the best.

I wouldn't have thought the US could execute arrest warrants for copyright violations by a German citizen living in New Zealand.  We live in a strange world.

I think that this is really no different to how the rest of the internet works. Taking down content, once it's been distributed, is usually an impossible task as demonstrated by the efficiency of uploaders, torrents and magnet links. Not to mention automated scraping services and caching systems which often make automated copies of content which may be removed.
I'd also like to point out that the DMCA is also a US-only law that does not necessarily apply to the rest of the world, so a newgroup provider needing to be in strict compliance with it may not even be necessary.

Really appreciate your concern and suggestion though, and it is certainly under consideration.

Here at AT it looked like Nyaa maybe was down for a bit, but we're running torrents from both now.
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Update: FFF said someone started up another DDOS today while they were trying to seed a torrent.  I assume the attack is aimed at Nyaa.  A nujmber of TT torrents are secondary Nyaa listings, so if Nyaa stops so do they.  I have no info on Bakabt.

Expect on and off interruptions in service if there is a DDOS in progress.
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It looks like the DDOS, or one DDOS, is aimed at the FFF site.

Is it just me or there's a whole problem with the torrent at nyaa and tokyo tosho right now? None of them is downloading, not to mentioned accessing Bakabt is unavailable at the moment.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound so dire.

Basically, I think it may come down to this: You can say that you tried, and that should be good enough to anyone who is fair minded, I hope.  The problem should then move on to the non-complying system managers.  But if the material in question is not actually going to be removed, and if you are a large and identifiable provider of anime to Usenet, well, I have my concerns.  After all, they would really rather focus on major players rather than put out brush fires.

I thought it should be said.

Quoting Wikipedia: "Removal of copyrighted content from the entire Usenet network is a nearly impossible task, due to the rapid propagation between servers and the retention done by each server. Petitioning a Usenet provider for removal only removes it from that one server's retention cache, but not any others. It is possible for a special post cancellation message to be distributed to remove it from all servers, but many providers ignore cancel messages by standard policy, because they can be easily falsified and submitted by anyone.".[27][28]

The question is whether under such a system one can achieve clear technical compliance for DMCA.  Otherwise, it would be a matter for the courts to decide.

I think it's better to be a ghost.

I'd say that sending a takedown notice to a usenet host is quite an effective means to remove unwated content (assuming the host complies). Of course, that's only one host - to deal with multiple hosts, you just need to send multiple takedowns.

I don't use usenet - I've figured things out from information posted around, so an opinion from a long time user is welcome :)

But that's the problem: titles on Usenet can't be effectively removed, leaving the poster legally liable.  The safety provision in dmca is no liability if you remove the post, which on Usenet is practically impossible.

It's the poster, not the title, that you should worry about.

Hi again,

I understand one would want to err on the side of caution, but from my point of view, there is nothing to worry about. I've NEVER come across an anime title that was DMCA'd in all the years I've used usenet, not to say it is immune. I'm just saying when that happens (fingers crossed it never does) then ... but for now everything is A-ok.
  

Oh ok. I see I was wrong about the whole download/upload issue.

I was only curious simply because I've used usenet for more than a decade, and the AT usenet post stood out in-comparison to other posts, then again probably just me being too diligent.

Nonetheless, thanks for responses and corrections.

Thanks for your input.
I imagine that DMCA affects usenet in the same way as regular file hosts, so there shouldn't be much of a difference there?
As for posting author, have actually considered that, and I may do that in the future. I figure that, since we post NZBs here, it's not too difficult to find where posts are from though.

Thanks for the info - perhaps you're right there!
I have noticed that using another server (from the same provider) sometimes works better, oddly enough. I may experiment with implementing some multi-server uploading capability.

Thanks for the clarification.

I don't believe that splitting files improves download or upload speeds in any way. The usenet "protocol" is already piece-wise, so there are no gains from further splitting at a file level.
Similarly, I don't believe that splitting files provides any benefit to recoverability, as PAR2 operates on pieces across the entire input set, not whole files.

Archiving may provide benefits for compressible material (assuming compression is used). This, however, is not a property of multi-part files, and video files here are generally not compressible using general data compression techniques.

Hope that explains that for you.

Usenet: The last binary I downloaded from Usenet was 30 years ago.  I thought this approach was equal parts clever and amusing back then.  I wouldn't have expected it to still be around.  Good for you, youngsters.

But AT, are you sure you want to be doing this?  I would think it would be better to be ghost posters, since there is probably no DMCA safe haven with Usenet.  But I'm sure you're well informed.

Best wishes.

Man, stupid jerk off that didn't realized their life could end, any day, any time are sure is plentiful. Just watch whatever the hell you want and just avoid whatever the hell you've dislike! Why bother complaining when you have the ability to select and sort things out? If this is not the ear for you, then perhaps you should had wish to been born 20 years earlier. But then again, seeing that you didn't replied to anything that you had caused to stirred, I'm assuming this is just a cheap shot at getting some fast attention. Go to MAL, a lot of people like you growing like cockroaches kept stirring trouble every day, making this kind of complaining thread all day long.

AFAIK there wouldn't be any difference in download speeds when downloading a single file vs. a file that is split into multiple parts. The benefit of multi-part files would be compression; downloading a single file would probably take a bit longer to download, but they would both download at the same speed.
Virtually all newsreaders will ignore .par files as well, unless they are necessary for repairs.

My question is with regards to the the way you upload content to usenet. As the poster before you posted "you're thinking multi-part files might make for more reliable uploads to Usenet?". Answer: Yes!

The term "multi-parting" (splitting the main file) is what I should have used initially, apologies again for the ambiguity.

As for any merits to multi-part files. Well there are a few, given multi-parting and usenet go in hand in hand. Pretty much everything gets multi-parted except ebooks/comics. It serves as a merit in two folds, one to the uploader [faster upload] and mainly the user/downloader
1.Faster download = downloading in smaller chunks as opposed to one main file. Depending on one's usenet download setup, most people would tend to avoid downloading the pars, if the download content achieves 100% completion.

2. To help reduce the chance offsetting lost/broken packages. With your upload method, if by any chance the main file and possibly also one/two pars are broken (incomplete),  the main file may not be recoverable, but if the files were multi-parted into smaller chunks, this would not necessarily be an issue provided the incomplete percentage is not too large.

I'm pretty sure that are other merits, but those are the ones I can think of at the moment. I hope this helped to clarify what I was asking about.

>Maybe I'll need to try another news provider...
It could be that your provider just has some shit automated DMCA process going.

I noticed that some series will have every episode perfectly complete, and then only a few minutes later a different series will be uploaded but every episode of that series will be missing segments. example: http://i.imgur.com/T7U1OwR.png

Pretty weird pattern either way.

I'm still somewhat confused about what you're asking about exactly.
We don't do any usenet indexing here, and your post seemed to be more of a question and less an opinion (feedback).

Are you asking about general usenet conventions, or about the way we upload to usenet, or both or something else?
If I'm understanding you correctly, you're asking about why we don't archive up content, whilst most others do? Perhaps with some interest over the pros and cons of archiving content?

If so, I can't really give solid reasons on why things are the way they are, as I don't use usenet myself. I suspect many of the conventions are due to legacy and less of technical need.
Archiving multiple files means that users cannot download individual files, if they don't need the lot. Archiving single files seems to be largely a pointless exercise in my view. As such, we generally prefer not to archive files and upload them directly, as is.
The tradition may have arisen from the PAR1 format being based on files rather than pieces. Splitting large files into smaller segments would make PAR1 more efficient. This issue no longer applies to PAR2.
I don't believe that using RAR helps with lost parts in any way* I also cannot think of many other reasons why you'd want to archive content, so if you have any, I'm interested in hearing it.

Otherwise, from what I've seen, there are quite a few non-archived anime usenet posts. Perhaps the archiving tradition is more commonplace in other groups.

* RAR does support adding redundancy for error correction, but it's rather pointless to use this if you're adding PAR2 files

and you're thinking multi-part files might make for more reliable uploads to Usenet?

Speedy response, nice. I guess you missed the part where I started the sentence with "Usenet indexing Feedback", then again my apologies, I actually edited my initial comment that referenced the site usenet bot before removing it.

Actually, I don't think I've seen any file uploaded by the bot that were archived. I just thought I point it out, because it seemed not the conventional way of uploading content on usenet [unarchive main file(s) + par files].  Which was why I thought I ask why.

I'm assuming you're referring to files that we upload here?

It's rare anything is placed into an archive here. When it does happen, it's a 7z archive, and never a ZIP/RAR - if you see them, it would be what the torrent contained (which is also relatively rare for the anime category).
Do you have any particular example you want to raise?

I don't believe that PAR2/yEnc has much of a standard for dealing with sub-directory paths. For now, the solution is to put all files residing in a sub-directory into a single archive, and upload it as such.
It's probably possible to just put a forward slash character in the filename, PAR2 probably even allows this, but will need to check compatibility with clients (if you have information on this, please do post!). Another potential issue may be with deep nesting of directories and subject length limits requiring names to be truncated.
This is the only case when archives are uploaded here.

Usenet indexing Feedback.

I noticed some titles get archived (zip/rar) while some don't, just the main file and par files. Was wondering why? I'm aware most uploads on usenet to some extent follow scene rules, but I naturally assumed the archiving of files was to help reduce the chance offsetting lost/broken packages given the compatibility merits of pars and rars.

Anidex has started to do a lot of auto-forwarding to TT.  That's how Doki's stuff gets here now.

Nyaa is restrictive, TT is not, so there's no reason for an Anidex author to not co-list or auto-forward to TT, if they want the broader coverage.  Some authors may not.  Previously, one member of AnimeRG (Phr0sty) didn't want his stuff to be listed here at AT.  Avoiding Nyaa and TT is a way of doing that.

all right then, panic mode off :>

April 1 is an odd day with TT.  In the past they've done stuff like mix games and hentai into the anime category for April 1.  In a few hours things will be back to normal.

maybe noone uploads to TT, but anidex has some stuff from groups which dont use nyaa, and those releases haven't hit AT yet

but AT doesn't seem to fetch from TT anymore

Everything has its ups and downs. What do you want to see in it? What's your focus or your attention to it? Is it the ups or the downs?

Watch the genre you like and don't waste your time to watch the genre you don't even like. Like Anon above said, there are still plenty of various genre.