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09/07/2015 16:30 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
I believe a fresh Material Design would fresh up the page :)

Googles Material Design Lite should work fine for this site^^. Sadly I don't have time currently :(
10/07/2015 01:19 — Anonymous
Nah, the site looks fine the way it is. The current simplistic design has and will stand the test of time, whereas going with whatever appearance is trendy right now will mean the site will look outdated in the future.
10/07/2015 05:51 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
The website looks quite old i.e like websites in the 90s looked like but with colors. Of course this is better than a flashy website and a simple design is favourable.

The good thing about the Material Design is that it looks simplistic, is not going to be garbage when "flashy" is modern again and has great visual feedback.

Of course I don't mean that the design should change completly, but with the material design the file entries could be a little bigger and when the user click on it instead of opening a new URL, make it appear from the entry click with a smooth transition for example.
10/07/2015 05:51 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
Ehh because I had to reload the site I didnt replied to the anonymous this time :c
11/07/2015 20:03 — Anonymous
Honestly, I think the current design is perfect. Simple, minimalistic and lightweight, with no "fancy" visual effects.
10/07/2015 20:20 — Anonymous
When are we going to get a new theme for summer season?
11/07/2015 01:40 — deanzel
RIP Nyaa.
11/07/2015 03:32 * — Gurphy_TC
Moderator    Invisible Avatar - Patent Pending
Nyaa seems lively at the moment.  Are you sure you connected the wires to the detonator correctly?

Oh, I see...  It's a database mess over there, isn't it?

Our last Nyaa-only entry was about 1 hour ago, which post-dates deanzel's note.  So it's hard to say yet if our Nyaa updates are going to be interrupted.
11/07/2015 03:46 — Anonymous: "Alhambra"
What happen on Nyaa? Looks many recently uploaded torrent already deleted.
11/07/2015 03:57 * — Gurphy_TC
Moderator    Invisible Avatar - Patent Pending
It looks like the database at Nyaa has gotten messed up, accidentally or otherwise.  I don't think it has affected our downloads.  For example, right now the last/top listing on Nyaa is [Mori] Wakaba Girl - 02 [60202D17].mkv, which we downloaded 9 hours ago.  And we have had other newer Nyaa downloads within the last hour.

If you find a Nyaa torrent that we didn't get, note it here, please.
11/07/2015 05:31 — admin
My guess is some database issue on their end. Their admins would have better answers, but my speculation is a database backup.
You may notice that #710169 is dated 2015-07-10, 16:28 UTC, whilst #710170 is dated 2015-07-11, 03:34 UTC (about 11 hours between consecutive IDs).

Data AT has: https://storage.animetosho.org/ul/nyaa...a-loss.png
11/07/2015 04:02 — Anonymous: "LOL500"
Just sine 2 cents,
for the most part I think this site is good, however there's this problem with links dying especially with old releases.
May I propose that you hide links behind a link protector like ncrypt and maybe rename the files to something less obvious.
11/07/2015 04:05 * — Gurphy_TC
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The public download services we use generally delete the files after 60 days or so anyways.  To create a more permanent archive, we would need expensive private servers instead of free public ones.

We have tried name scrambling and file encryption at times to avoid immediate deletions, but I'm not sure we would say it made much of a difference.
13/07/2015 20:46 — e3m88
the 1fichers encrypted files still works.
14/07/2015 02:36 * — Gurphy_TC
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In theory, the 1Fichier-encrypted links won't expire, as they are part of a separate premium account set up by admin to try for some longer term storage solutions.  But a similar setup didn't work with other services previously, so we'll see.
11/07/2015 08:39 — Anonymous
If you need to find older releases without torrenting you have a couple of options:
-Anime-Sharing.com forums. Their links stay up a long time.
-XDCC. I reccomend using Hexchat as your client if you don't already have one. Just connect to a channel, and write "/msg [botname] xdcc send [filenumber]" Here's a few packlists:
http://xdcc.utw.me/
http://doki.co/releases/xdcc/
http://intel.haruhichan.com/
http://kyou.x1n.pl:8000/
http://vivid.moe/xdcc.htm
11/07/2015 21:42 — Anonymous
The motherload is http://nibl.co.uk/bots.php

An index of 162 bots, at the moment.
12/07/2015 00:36 — Anonymous
11/07/2015 08:42 — Anonymous
If a rewrite of the site is happening, one thing I would like to see is tags. Not so much for anime genres, but for the release format - stuff like resolution, 10 bit, audio channels, soft/hardsub, reencode, etc, and then make it possible to filter out stuff you don't want.
12/07/2015 02:29 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
Just a quick sketch to how the design could change: http://i.imgur.com/LB5oBg2.png

Of course I know it is not perfect but the basic idea is that the option button on the top right expands to the bottom which shows the entry options (like 720p and so on) which turn a darker color when selected. Also if you click an entry it expands again to the bottom and reveals all the information which is currently loaded with a new page.

Just wondering what people think :P
12/07/2015 06:18 * — admin
There's some pretty interesting ideas there.
The design looks really good for mobile devices, something that AT's current design doesn't really try to accomodate. I presume that desktop users would just get borders on either side?

I don't really want to get too technical yet, but I thought I should point out a few things though:

- Splitting the group name and anime name is nice, but difficult to automate reliably (especially episode numbers), so something based on ugly torrent names may need to stay
    Perhaps this could work better as a separate page rather than the main page? i.e. a page that groups entries together rather than showing a raw dump of all the torrents available

- The resolution idea is pretty cool. Unfortunately the script can't determine the video resolution before a torrent is complete though. There's also some complications with batches containing multiple resolutions, but some heuristics might solve that
    Maybe split incomplete entries off elsewhere?

I'm not particularly good at evaluating designs so can't really comment much unfortunately.
Thanks for the sketch and your interest!
13/07/2015 22:55 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
Hmm my idea was to use it for the Main page. I agree about the episode numbers being quite hard to get (especially for batches) so maybe it should be removed or not show for torrents with multiple files.

To filter the fansub group and the Anime name from the torrent name shouldnt be so hard for most of the major fansub groups so maybe the design could change and show a white / dark torrent box for torrents which do not fall into the major fansub groups which then shows the torrent name.

For the resolution it could be easier to just use ??? until the torrent is completed or not show the torrent at all until it is completly downloaded (or like you said just make it a seperate page).
13/07/2015 23:38 — Anonymous
one thing I'm not clear on: in your design how many clicks until download?  Do I have to tunnel down to get to download service choices?  In the current AT page un-split files are one click to the dl service.  One click is good, more than one is bad.

sorry that I can't tell by looking.
14/07/2015 05:43 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
When you click on an entry it expands to show all the informations shown in the picture at Charlotte. Then you can click on the "Complete" of Solidfiles for example and you get directed to the one click hoster.

So this would mean 2 clicks until you download it. So yes you dont see the downloads directly on the Main page.

For convenience you should also consider RSS Feeds^^.
14/07/2015 01:56 — admin
To filter the fansub group and the Anime name from the torrent name shouldnt be so hard for most of the major fansub groups
Most releases do follow a similar format, but (ignoring outliers) there can be some complications at times.
An example: "Teekyuu - 50" gets labeled as "Teekyuu" whilst "Teekyu S5 - 50" is labeled as "Teekyuu (2015)", even though these should be the same. The script could be a bit more intelligent with detecting these cases, but they're ultimately quite hard to solve.

I suppose most people won't really be put off by this, so probably not really a concern.

Thanks for the reply.
14/07/2015 05:36 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
Instead of trying to guess the series with a script I was thinking about simply taking the show name from the torrentname aswell. For 90% of the cases the shows name is after the ] bracket and lasts till a "-" or "[".

The other 10% could use white / black design similiar to nyaa's style and use the torrentname instead for the whole title.
14/07/2015 06:15 — admin
Oh, so basically the idea is to display the original torrent name, but, when possible, add some spacing between the group name / series so that they line up (like columns)?
14/07/2015 06:59 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
Exactly. For example it would take the "DameDesuYo", "Working!!!", (maybe the "02") and "1080p" from the torrentname "[DameDesuYo] Working!!! - 02v2 (1920x1080 10bit AAC) [444B976E].mkv".
14/07/2015 09:32 — admin
https://storage.animetosho.org/ul/splitlist.png
What do you think of that?

Seems somewhat feasible, but will need to see how doable and reliable it is.
Thanks for the idea anyway.
15/07/2015 09:14 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
Pretty much what I was thinking about. Just also without the unnecessary parts like the brackets, CRC32 code, extension and audio / video codec.
15/07/2015 10:06 — Anonymous
I know it's highly unlikely, but I wouldn't like to download a `Theora/Vorbis` or `.avi` by accident.
15/07/2015 23:24 — admin
I feel a bit iffy with removing all that info, but I'll keep it in mind anyway. Thanks.
16/07/2015 06:21 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
Remember my suggestion was to show the full filename on the downloads view page^^.
15/07/2015 19:35 — Anonymous
As I look at admin's example, I ask myself:
1. Is that format easier to read than the current?  Not to me, really.
2. Would I want any sorting or filtering options based on it?  In a search page maybe, but not on the main page.  The incoming anime is such that if you don't visually scan it raw, you'll miss out on opportunities you may have liked.  For example, the current 'Hide Nyaa Remakes' gets rid of deadfish but also a lot of the new dual audio offerings.

The current raw homepage is all that I want.  For a search page, whatever.
15/07/2015 19:46 — Anonymous
let me back off a little on the "easier to read" question.  I'll downgrade to not sure/maybe.
15/07/2015 21:18 — Anonymous: "Mirai"
For example there could be an option like "show/hide deadfish releases".

Also there could still be "animetosho.org/raw".

Personally I am using a RSS Reader which marks releases by "deadfish", "AnimeRG" and many more as already read. That way I filter out most of the releases I dont care at all about.
15/07/2015 22:00 — Anonymous
I would rather see the original filename, and then have metadata that can be filtered. For example, for "[DameDesuYo] Working!!! - 02v2 (1920x1080 10bit AAC) [444B976E].mkv" you would get the following:
Release Group: DameDesuYo
Translated By: DameDesuYo
Resolution: 1080p
Video Codec: H.264 10bit
Audio Format: Stereo
Audio Codec: AAC
Video Container: MKV
Subtitle Format: Softsub
Source: TV

For a Deadfish release, such as [DeadFish] Grisaia no Kajitsu - 05 - Special [BD][720p][AAC].mp4, you would get:
Release Group: Deadfish
Translated By: Mori
Resolution: 720p
Video Codec: H.264 8bit
Audio Format: Stereo
Audio Codec: AAC
Video Container: MP4
Subtitle Format: Hardsub
Reencode: Yes
Source: Blu-Ray

For Horriblesubs:
Release Group: HorribleSubs
Translated By: Crunchyroll
Source: Web
...Other fields as necessary...

15/07/2015 23:23 — admin
The metadata would be nice, but I'll point out that it's quite hard to get that automatically unfortunately. Some could be guessed, with varying degrees of reliability.

- Release group: can probably get that info from the tag most of the time, though I've seen the script get it horribly wrong as well
- Translated by: almost impossible to determine this automatically
- Audio/video info: can be determined automatically, possibly some issue if multiple formats are used (i.e. dual audio releases with audio from different sources)
- Subtitle format: you could assume that if a softsub track = soft, no softsub track = hard, though this isn't always the case
- Re-encode: can rely on Nyaa's "remake" flag, doesn't work on stuff sourced purely from TokyoTosho though
- Source: hard to figure out unless marked in the name
16/07/2015 23:10 — Anonymous
For re-encodes, you just have to keep a list of all known groups that do them (Deadfish, AnimeRG, JacobSwaggedUp, etc.)

Source: Again, you can tell this by the release group. Blu-Ray is almost always marked as such, and otherwise groups exclusively stick to either TV or Web rips.

Translated By: I guess this would be difficult to come across. I do know Deadfish (where this information would be most useful) posts the original group names on their website, dunno how easy this would be to scrape. IDK if Translated By is the right thing to call it however. There's groups like FFF which edit Crunchyroll scripts. Maybe calling this Subtitles From would be a better choice.

In the end, however, some things are going to be difficult for a computer to determine, but there could be a way for users to contribute and/or correct metadata.
17/07/2015 05:44 — admin
Thanks for the ideas.
I want to avoid user contributions at this stage - ideally should be done somewhere which deals with it more. AniDB has some file metadata, but not all the ones you mentioned - maybe try to get them to store that too?
17/07/2015 08:42 — Anonymous
Looks like AniDB does have source information available. Don't see anything on subtitles from, however.
13/07/2015 14:48 — raudbul
which of the downloading services allows streaming ? My internet can handle streaming and I don't have any more space.
13/07/2015 20:05 — Anonymous
I believe one or more of the AT dl services used to offer streaming playback, but I don't see that option anymore.  So I was going to direct you to another anime site that specialized in streaming but they've dropped streaming as well.  Don't know why.

You're better off if you download, watch and delete.  Streaming playback has always been low bitrate regardless of user connection speed and used crappy software like flash that relies on hardsub conversions.
15/07/2015 06:50 — Anonymous
If you do need a good streaming site, use moetube.net. They have decent quality HTML5 videos, and zero ads.
14/07/2015 04:46 — Anonymous
solidfiles offers streaming for mp4 hardsubs, but not mkv files.  So the deadfish one would work:
https://animetosho.org/view/deadfish-d...mp4.905621
14/07/2015 09:11 — raudbul
ty a lot. SolidFiles it is then
15/07/2015 00:29 — Anonymous
You can stream MKV files. I use mpv (http://mpv.io/).  Just start it and drag and drop a link onto the window. For Solidfiles, use the "direct download link" on the Solidfiles page, not the Solidfiles link from Animetosho. I have also tried streaming with other hosts. Usersfiles will work, but you can't seek.

VLC should also work in the same manner. I have also tried MPC-HC with KCP, but it tries to download the entire file ahead of time.
16/07/2015 02:45 — Tibb
UpToBox/UpToStream offers streaming, so does UsersCloud and FilesUpload (both available in MultiUp), TusFiles can too.

UpToBox/UpToStream is probably the best though, soft subtitles work, and it's a html5 player.
16/07/2015 23:16 — Anonymous
Don't they reencode the video? At which point you might as well just go to a streaming site.
17/07/2015 01:35 — Tibb
Yeah, each site reencodes the files.
A streaming site may be good for new series/HorribleSubs shows, but I doubt any of them bother to upload 1080p/720p BD's or various fansub group releases.
They could have a better web player and alive links for older shows (TV versions), but you could stream higher quality stuff from here.

Of course, downloading the file is the best and some will say the only way to watch your lolis.
17/07/2015 08:35 — Anonymous
Solidfiles doesn't do any reencoding. But rather than using a web player, it is best to use a standalone media player to stream from the filehost, because you are guaranteed the original video and it will work with softsubs.

By the way, I just discovered Sharebeast is streamable using mpv for the files that are not split.
13/07/2015 20:57 — e3m88
animetosho should mirror to usenet also and post a .nzb because it will have a very good retention compared to free hosts and people could get the release easily.
13/07/2015 21:16 — Anonymous
At does, or did.  For example:
https://animetosho.org/file/chihiro-_m...aac.229256

Usenet is third row down.

But not in listings since Nyaa database problem a few days ago?
13/07/2015 21:41 — e3m88
I don't think it is a mirror, it is just a link from another source.
13/07/2015 23:40 — Anonymous
AT doesn't retain any video files, if that's what you mean.  They're just processed and deleted.  The cost of storage would be huge.
14/07/2015 00:39 — e3m88
They could post to the usenet, most servers have 2500+ days of retention.
14/07/2015 01:55 — admin
That's an interesting idea actually.
I've never used Usenet unfortunately so don't know much about how it works.
I looked at some guides on how to post files and the process seems a little convoluted, which is a bit worrying.
There definitely won't be RAR support (might replace with .7z), so there probably won't be split files if that has any importance (is it important?). Will also need to see how much load the PAR2 generation has, as well as the posting process - am hoping that it doesn't thrash the disk too much.
From the looks of things, I should be able to just get a block account and get unlimited uploads.

Do you have any recommendations on how uploads should be posted?

Thanks for the suggestion!
14/07/2015 05:14 — e3m88
Splitting the files isn't important, today most people have more than one usenet server and block accounts so PAR2 generation isn't as important as old times... of course is nice to have 5% of redundancy just in case. Of course PAR2 generation is heavier than splitting/archiving on .7z but I don't know how much it will increase the post processing load that you already have.
My opinion is that will increase the longevity of the anime uploaded at least 2500+ days.
14/07/2015 06:24 * — admin
The server is mostly disk bound, so I'd expect a naive split would be more intensive than a PAR2 calculation (which shouldn't incur much disk activity I'd think, unless the calculation requires multiple passes).

Well if splitting isn't important, that makes things easier. So the process is probably: generate PAR2 -> upload -> make NZB. Assuming the upload process is a single disk pass, there's a bit of unnecessary overhead with PAR2 generation, but it doesn't look like there's a tool which can do on-the-fly PAR2 generation without additional disk reads.

(I'm guessing that SFV files aren't that important with PAR2 verification and CRCs in most filenames)

Downsides of Usenet would be that users would need paid accounts, and the increased complexity with using it.
Still, the ~8 years retention claimed by these providers sounds somewhat too good to be true. We'll have to see how it pans out, but I'm willing to give it a try.

Thanks for the info!
14/07/2015 06:43 — Anonymous
yeah, needing a $10 - $15 (USD) per month Usenet account to download stuff is a kill for probably 99% of the users here at AT, I think.
14/07/2015 06:45 — Anonymous
but if people want a primer on how to, the following seems like a good guide:
http://lifehacker.com/5601586/how-to-g...mple-steps
14/07/2015 14:03 — e3m88
It is just another mirror, because most of the files expire after 60 days with the current free hosts.
14/07/2015 18:55 — Anonymous
Catch-22: If you're an anime fan, you probably keep up with new releases, so 60 days is more than enough.  If you're not a fan, you're probably not going to spend an extra $15/month (USD) on top of your Internet bill just to download old anime releases.
14/07/2015 19:54 * — e3m88
I am not a big anime fan and I download old releases... I can pay 15/month without problem.
14/07/2015 20:22 — Anonymous
1% lives.  
You could go to CR and Funi too, and why not?

Fansub fans are overwhelmingly cheap/poor bastards, like me.
14/07/2015 20:44 — Anonymous
-if you're not a big anime fan, you may not know: CR and Funi refer to commercial anime distribution sites.
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