That's laughable. As if download numbers somehow relate to quality.

But if you want to play that game: Coalgirls also only release on torrents via Nyaa and their own site. Kametsu on the other hand releases on our forum of over 43,000 users as well as via XDCC and several private trackers, alongside Nyaa. Nyaa counts for a very tiny percentage in the downloads our releases get. In the end, we get just as much, if not far much more downloads.

Try harder troll.

"could possibly one of the oldest running group right now currently still active."
Kek. Coalgirls was founded in 2009. That's a young group imo. If you can even call it a group still as it's basically just about a one man team now. Besides Kristen (and one release by Tenshi) the rest of the team has been MIA for at least a year.

As for me, I've been in the scene within various groups since 2007. While Kametsu did their first release in 2009 (same year Coalgirls was founded) although the original site was founded in 2004. So we're technically older than Coalgirls.

If you're going to troll, at least obtain some knowledge of the subject matter first.

Thank you for the kind words! I appreciate your insight into the matter.

I usually stir-clear from places like 4chan and the like so I'm honestly not use to dealing with the kind of people that'd rather stir the pot rather than rationally discuss what issues they have with something. Unfortunately that wasn't the case here. Although going by the consistent misspelling of the group name and such I suspect it was really only two anons that created the whole drama-filled comments.

In the end, I think it didn't really matter what was said or what could have been said (at least after the initial statement was made). I agree that we could have described the issues we mentioned with nicer tact. However it seems regardless of how nicely put that it would not have calmed the storm in this regard. Most of the anons seemed to care very little of the context of any post. Instead of discussing the issue of how we worded it, it went straight into childish silly and petty drama (I mean how else would you refer to comments like 'you drool'). Unfortunately we're unable to delete or edit the initial comments to be more tactful?

I said time and time again, if they were happy with previous releases, that's fine, be happy with them, but like the rest of the content of my comments, it was overlooked and ignored because it didn't matter what I said, they were already in rampage mode. They basically were in the mindset that what I said was wrong and Coalgirls was 100% perfect, regardless of any reasoning behind what was said or shown.

I fully understand that people in general won't care about things on the same level we do. I also understand that what we consider major issues (subtitles not appearing at all), could be considered minor to others. We have different levels of standards, that is certainly made clear.

The fact that the subtitles used weren't the batch subs and therefore had translation issues, the fact that the subs were possibly simply sushi'd and mistimed, the fact that some signs didn't appear at all, the fact that those that did had clipping issues. None of this mattered. It came down to the fact that we initially stated these issues with the word 'F_ked', and therefore Anons wanted us to be wrong, and that's all it amounted to. It didn't matter that the fact was that the issues did indeed exist. Whether they consider it a minor thing or not doesn't change the fact that however minor, these issues exist and we as a group took it upon ourselves to correct them. Whether they care about that or not, doesn't matter. We wanted a release we could watch and archive and be happy with and thus this was the result.

Again, I fully I agree looking back on things that the initial statement made could have been worded much nicer and we should have just simply ignored such users from the get-go rather than giving them the time of day that kept the fire lit. I respect criticism as well, and it's nice to see someone be level-headed on the ordeal. I'm sorry I played my part in this mess and in the future when issues are mentioned of other releases, I'll try to word it better so that people don't get their panties in a twist.

One thing I feel worth mentioning is, Coalgirls (and Kametsu), like any other group, is made up of humans. It's human nature to not be perfect. They've made hundreds of releases through the years. You can't ideally expect to not have at least one issue somewhere or one project where they might not have put into the work on the same level as users have come to expect of them.

Again, our statement wasn't meant as an attack on the group, but rather was our opinion of the release based on our own findings from actually looking into it. I'll try to provide further examples that better showcase what the group was referring to later. The project leader of this series is currently in the process of moving to another home so I haven't been able to reach him to get the other sign comparisons he'd originally discussed with the staff.

And I didn't mean to nor did I realize that I was coming off like some perfect elitist either. I realize my faults and I know I'm not perfect. I know our releases aren't perfect either. We strive for perfection but it's a goal that probably can't ever be met. There can always be issues we missed that are brought to our attention years later. Hence patches for v2 or v3 in some cases.

We live and we learn.

@Kristen, if you think Tenshi would like to update the release with fixed signs and dialogue, we can send you or him the finalized script when the team has completed the rest. My email address should be available to you from the comments on your blog. All the best, and hope that ChrisK and Cyras are doing good.

Thanks admin,

It was a good effort, but he hasn't learned a thing.  Your good counsel plus 100 years, maybe.